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When you look at it like that, you wonder how anyone could be stupid enough to believe this fairy tale.

the picture it self is wrong in what it says, man wasn’t created with sin adam & eve chose to sin after satan tricked eve in eating from the forbidden tree . jesus isn’t god, he refers to god as his father on numerous accasions as well as directing all praze to god as well as saying that the father is greater than he is. his sacrifice was to replace adam so that man can be redeemed from sin before god if they put faith in jesus and the teaching he gave so that when god it satisfied that satan has been proved the liar he is, the wicked will be cleaned from the earth along with the demons

Kinda confusing but you’ll kick your self for eternity if you don’t accept it.

You sheeple will believe anything.

See, Anon, you’re wrong. There’s this concept of the Trinity; Father, Son, Holy Ghost. All are the same entity. One God, not three. So Jesus IS God, if you disagree, then you’re claiming Christianity is polytheistic, or you’re denying that Jesus is God, and either way, you’re not Christian.

Also, if God is omniscient and omnipotent, he knew what he was doing when he created Satan, and what would happen with the apple. Otherwise, you’re saying one of His creations outwitted him, which makes you wonder why we should worship him, if Satan’s the smarter being.

Just as believable as nothing exploding into everything, which decides to become something else like an entire universe. Then on one tiny planet out of billions, something decides to become many microorganisms which get bored and become dinosaurs. Scientists, can’t beat’em but I hear they burn pretty well.

God created humans with free will. He doesn’t control our decisions. Satan didn’t outwit God he outwitted humans. God knew what was going to happen, but He want that to happen? No. He can’t control what we do. If I’m not mistaken (which I very well could be) Jesus didn’t die to forgive original sin. He died to forgive the sins we commit so that Christians are not condemned to Hell.

Hello. I am a Muslim, but have many extended family members who are Christian, and have studied Christianity extensively. Whether you agree with the theory of the Hypostatic union (Jesus was fully God and fully man), or agree with the thought of the trinity (God the father, God the son, God the holy spirit), is irrelevant. The point of my post is to say simply this: The premise of the picture is incorrect.

God did not create man with original sin, God created man with the option of resisting falling into sin. Man did not resist sin, and original sin was introduced to the world. God knew what would happen, as he knows all things, yet he knew that in order to create man in his own image, he had to give man free will. He was not tricked. He knew what would happen. But this was the only way to create man and to allow us to retain our free will.

I also take issue with your choice of mockery. If you do not believe in God or in the Christian message, then feel free to not believe, and feel free to be as bitter as you wish. Though you have the right to express your opinion, a right that I would never fight to take away, I would ask you why you consider it necessary to mock the sustaining beliefs of hundreds of millions of Christians. I say sustaining because for many Christians, this message is the reason for life.

Jesus Christ taught the message of tolerance, of love, and of brotherhood. He accepted, lepars, beggars, prostitutes, Jews, Romans, tax collectors, doctors and fishermen. Jesus taught us true Liberalism: to love and to respect each other. What are you teaching us? To mock that which we do not believe? To disrespect that with which we do not agree? Is that not the divisive message of conservative fundamentalism, the disdain of pluralism and the disrespect for other people’s ideas? A few hundred cult members could be gullible, but be hesitant to disrespect the worlds most widely practiced religion (which, by the way, shares theological doctrine with the worlds fastest growing religion). Please do not disrespect the ideas and beliefs of so many people, it only shows true ignorance and intolerance.

Ma’a Salaama.

anon says…

>the picture it self is wrong in what it says, man wasn’t >created with sin adam & eve chose to sin after satan >tricked eve in eating from the forbidden tree .

[Heavy Sigh]
It would be nice if you people dared to think for a change.

The mythical couple were even more pig ignorant than a fundy. The mythical couple had zero knowledge about anything. They didn’t know anything about; right or wrong. They didn’t know anything about obedience or disobedience.

They didn’t know until [gasp] *after* they ate from the magic tree. BTW; ‘God’ lied to them. He told them they would die that day {not that they knew anything about death}

>jesus isn’t god, he refers to god as his father on >numerous accasions as well as directing all praze to >god as well as saying that the father is greater than he >is. his sacrifice

Being inconvenienced momentarily isn’t a sacrifice. At best he missed a round of golf while his new office was being furnished. A person clipping a fingernail sacrifices a lot more than the fictional Christian Idiot.

>was to replace adam so that man can be redeemed >from sin before god if they put faith in jesus and the >teaching he gave so that when god it satisfied that >satan has been proved the liar he is, the wicked will be >cleaned from the earth along with the demons

Oh, so followers of the stolen Abrahamic superstitions will go to the Hell they richly deserve. Wicked wicked wicked people {not all inclusive from a human standpoint}.

BTW, the snake told the truth. ‘God’ lied, and it was good.

there was another tree there of something god was denighing us of, but that one had guards…satan was an angel.angels are made of love….?what place could be more holy than eden?god is all knowing.he knew adam &eve were weak, knew satan was evil and smarter than them and let that happen. so we were given original sin in a round about way.and didnt the god cause satan to be snakelike as punishment 4ever after that?by the way the whoe jesus thing was so stolen from like all the other mythologies.history is swimming w/ 1/2 gods w/ supper powers.christianity just covered its ass by having a god that might not answer your prayers.”why this ?.why that?its gods will. HE has a real good reason ,that we are too lowly to know.amen”.all the players in the bible are jews & arabs.explain hitler.HE let that happen i know he doesnt give a fuck about me .right , free will.if you see your child playing w/ a loaded gun ,dont worry about it ,just stand back and watch.thanks all loving father.

But god is omnipotent and omniscient. He is everywhere at once and has absolute power. Therefore he created Adam and Eve knowing that they will sin.

Basically the tl;dr of Rafer

Hussein, I am impressed. You grasp Christianity better than a lot Christians I know. I am a Christian and would like to say I am embarrassed that I do not have a clear understanding of Islam. Perhaps I should.

Way to spoil a freaking joke!!! you people fucking suck!!!!!!

stoney, before you come in trying to call everyone stupid for not having their facts straight, get yours right first. God never lied, he promised death if they ate form the tree. He never promised immediate death.
also Rafer, you make very little sense, but you are one of them people that seems to mock everytime god “doesnt show up” but everytime he does, you play it off as luck or a chance happening.

Hmmm…I think that just because you don’t accept the Christian/Muslim/Jewish/Scientologist message doesn’t mean that you’re thinking for yourself. All of the internet skeptics out there are just as guilty as following dogmatically one line of thought as anybody else (OMG! Not believing in God makes you just as much of a conformist?!?)

Yea so the question of original sin is in part did god know what was going to happen, one would assume he did, begging first the question of why you would set humanity up to fail. A very good question in it self, i see setting someone up to fail this badly as immoral on gods part. But let us examine this “original sin” further. The fruit of knowledge gives Adam the ability to understand consequences of his actions, and basically gives him any reasoning skills what so ever, so we would be forced to assume he didn’t have these before the fruit. So the real question is why does God punish him for eating it. If you put a child in a room next to a treat or piece of candy and told it not to eat it, would it be fair to expect the child not to eat it, and then to punish the child. The child having no sense of consequences would eat the food not being able to weigh out consequences or morality of the action. In the same sense Adam knows that god doesn’t want him to eat the fruit, but has no greater concept of what he is actually doing. Can we call this a sin? he had no concept of what he was doing should we punish him, or teach him, teaching in my opinion would be much better, productive and moral way to approach the problem.

Also how is eating something immoral? Its an arbitrary order, you can eat everything but this. Does it hurt anyone, rob anyone of anything? Adam is disobeying a mighty power but this is not necessarily immoral. Disobeying an order or law is only immoral if the law itself is moral. ex. Rosa Parks breaks a law that is immoral, by doing so she is praised for helping bring about change.

So now that we have established that it is at best questionable if Adams actions were immoral we look at
God reaction. God creates suffering pain and all evils which are now known to humans. WTF He disobeys one arbitrary order, which he cannot understand the repercussions of and you throw him out on the streets. You set him up to fail the test by not giving him reasoning skills and letting this talking snake/the Devil sway him and then create suffering just to punish him. If a parent today were to tell a (very young)child not to eat a piece of chocolate, then the child not yet having developed moral understanding eats the chocolate, would it be acceptable for the parent to throw the kid out on the streets. No. God MAKES SUFFERING FOR THE EXACT SAME OFFENCE. Just nobodys aloud to question it because god is powerful. This would suggest that might makes right.
Final point. God then punishes Adam and Eves decedents for eternity? seriously? In today’s society most of us would agree you can’t punish a child for the actions of his father. Why? Simple, The child did absolutely nothing wrong, Sin or immoral action is not hereditary to assert so is an archaic concept that we have since come to realize as silly.

What we come away with from the story of Adam and Eve is that God is a horrible parent. And that the only thing he cares about is unquestioning loyalty, or strict adherents to arbitrary mandates. All I gather from this story is that God is a shortsighted immoral Jerk.

Lastly don’t attack grammar on this if you wish to disagree with any of my points please direct your arguments towards the ideas not sentence construction.

LOL. Welcome to teh internets, bitches.

Have fun in hell!(:

Jesus, you know he will. This is where the party is AT! Btw, Hitler says hi.

evidence of typical human ignorance that’s mistakes itself for wisdom :o)

Religion LOL!

Let me elaborate on the doctrine of the trinity. There are two major schools of thought, though the Eastern tradition (wherein Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit proceed FROM the Father, thus indicating a hierarchy) is less well-known. The more common view is the “three persons of one substance.” Note that the word “person” comes not from “people” but from the Latin “persona” whose etymology comes through Greek theatre to mean something like “mask” or “role.” Think three points of a triangle, sort of. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but the Father is not the Son, nor is the Holy Spirit the Father &c. One substance, three persons you see. This was to avoid the early Arian controversy which claimed Christianity was polytheistic.

The other question is Arianism vs. Calvinism, where the basic question is: does God’s omnipotence supersede man’s free will? Calvinism says that since God knows all from beginning to end, we cannot surprise him in our actions and thus those saved by faith were ALWAYS saved, and are called the “elect.” Whereas Arianism holds with a more interpretative view of “imago Dei”, lit. the “made in the image of God,” doctrine. Since God was the first creator, the unmoved mover, our being made in His image gives us the ability to exercise will without outside influence. Thus we can sin, separate ourselves from God, etc, and God couldn’t have foreseen it. Many would say this doesn’t contradict the sovereignty of God as we could always be brought back into His power, but he doesn’t take away our will because it would be against his character to do so. So, God is not limited in power, but limited in how He will exercise it by His character. Does that clear things up?

So the above is still a gross misrepresentation, but with a Calvinist view, partially correct.

Regards,

-Adam

Wow… Hussein just burnt all of you. I completely agree with all of it. If you choose to practice ignorance at its core and mock something which you clearly know nothing about then spare us all the frustration and keep it to yourself.

Guys, guys - Jesus died for our sins? People have died for less, have died more painfully, have died without ever knowing happyness or w/e, so why is this guy so special?

God was thought up ages ago by cavemen who couldnt explain where things like lightning came from. Bit by bit, we began to discover stuff and bit by bit, the things written in the bible seem to crumble.

Last but not least, loads of people were hung, burnt, dismembered and otherwise because of different beliefs. Wars are waged over faith. People were killed in the name of god (Innocent girls and women were burnt because the vatican convinced everyone of the existence of witches.)

To make a long story short, I don’t believe in god, I think Jesus was the man (but he’s a bit overhyped), I think the Vatican is/was way to powerfull and I think most beliefs are actually pretty lethal.

Anyway, believe what you like - so do I.

funny and don’t take it the wrong way you chose to look at it besides if “god is great” can he not take a joke?

“God did not create man with original sin, God created man with the option of resisting falling into sin. Man did not resist sin, and original sin was introduced to the world. God knew what would happen, as he knows all things, yet he knew that in order to create man in his own image, he had to give man free will.” -Hussein

I am holding an egg in my extended arm, at eye level, over a concrete floor. Using your argument, if I let go of this egg, it will not be my fault when it cracks on the ground.

Christians believe that God knows and created everything. If that is true, then he knew that everyone would be born into sin when he created Adam and Eve.

He created men and women with original sin.
It was/is his will.

If you believe in that sort of thing.

I know this is an old topic, but I stumbled across it and I couldn’t not give my two cents. I am a Catholic, and the statement in the image is highly inaccurate. But that is besides my point, everyone is free to believe what they want to. I just want to commend Hussein for his extremely valuable words. I just goes to show that generalisations such as “Muslims are violent” after terrorism incidents and “Christians are sexual offenders” after indecent acts by Church officials are totally unfounded.

Hussein, I believe, has shown clearly that the most import aspect of humanity is not our religion or race but our respect for one another. The way he has taken care to explain the fineries of a religion he does not even call his own are exemplary. Perhaps if we all spent a little less time mocking the words and beliefs of others and just tried to be nice, the world would be a better place.

But alas, it seems we are forever doomed to wallow in our collective ignorance and close-mindedness.

Ok, Im Jewish just so you guys don’t think i have a stake in this post. I just want to bring this post back to mocking the picture as opposed to this religious fact slinging. and to those of you who think god does control and know all, just walk into walmart and ask yourself why god made certain people.

OK, wrong.
Fucking Adam and Eve chose to sin, god didn’t create them with it.
Read the bible.
Dumb fucks

Hahah! You fucksticks are arguing! Rofl!

This thread sounds a lot like the first three hundred years of Christian history! And every other religion I’ve ever studied. And… Come to think of it, human history in general…

I have a few comments to make. First I would also like to commend Hussein on his well made point of respecting others and what they believe. I believe you have a right to believe whatever you want and say what you want, but at what point does your thoughts and motives just become unproductive and ignorant? If you don’t agree with Christianity or even religion at all, there really is no productivity in mocking the beliefs of many people who do follow a religion. For instance, as Danny said, yes wars have been fought over religion and in some countries violence has erupted due to the separate religions practiced. Yet, you must also look at the other side of the argument. The morals if anything else, have taught our society many helpful and productive lessons. For instance, many organizations that help the needy have ties or originate from religious affiliations, such as the Red CROSS, and even the many hospitals that have names such as St. David’s, St. Josephs, St. John’s, etcetera. I bet you have never seen a hospital or a helpful organization named after Atheism or called The Anti-Religion hospital. Also, many of the volunteer organizations that provide food and shelter for the homeless and that go to underdeveloped countries to help fight poverty and disease are affiliated with a religion. So before you go knocking on how ‘terrible’ religion is for the world, take a step back and look at the good it has and still continues to do. Besides, going back to Hussein’s comment, if everyone just simply took the time to fully understand and respect other people’s beliefs and opinions, there would not be nearly as much fighting and violence as there is today. Therefore, while you, Danny, might assume that the root of the specific violence and fighting you mention is religions themselves, you might want to reconsider that it is in fact the people who are creating the violence and wrongdoing as a result of their lack of full understanding of their religion or their lack of respect to other religions.

With or without religion, you have good peopled doing good things, and bad people doing bad things, but it takes religion for a good person to do a bad thing.

With or without religion, you have good peopled doing good things, and bad people doing bad things, but it takes religion for a good person to do a bad thing.

Ok, here it is in a nutshell. The bible is not fact, god is not real, satan is not real, genesis is a fictitious story, Adam and Eve never were, there is no tree of life, sin is a figment of your imagination. Live your lives to the fullest and ignore the fundies and their stupid story books. All of them. That is all, carry on.

While some conservative or fundamentalist Christians might accept the premises of this joke (which is pretty funny to me), many others do not. Christianity is no monolith. And even tho’ I would not see sin quite the way Hussein does, I think he’s has an uplifting view of Christian teachings that many can benefit from. Maybe not a big surprise since Jesus’ teachings are part of Islamic faith.